IS DISCONNECTION "FREE SPEECH"?

"Magoo" <Magoo44@charter.net>
IS DISCONNECTION "FREE SPEECH"?
16 Nov 2003

I have had this discussion with a few people who have left the Church (not) of Scientology.

Most people who leave Scientology immediately re-connect with people they love. They realize they have been sapped by this totalitarian organization that has insisted they do not speak with anyone labled by them as "SP".

Due to their "Policy" many families are broken up. Wives and husbands are broken up, as one or the other suddenly realizes some things, and thinks differently.

For me my 27- year happy marriage ended soon after I announced I was leaving. There was literally no way to communicate with my husband about what I knew. Oh sure, we talked, but did he hear? No. He could not. It's built in from early on, and he was born into the Cult.

Before I go on, please let me clarify I'm for any parent and whatever they chose to do, as long as it doesn't harm others. I am 100% against Disconnection, and will speak out against it, until it is stopped or cancelled.

However, I respect each parent, and I'm posting this as food for thought, not as any kind of put down, or attempt to say they've done the wrong thing. I truly believe that is up to the parents. However, it's also my right to speak out about what I feel is abuse, and clarify it. That's all I'm trying to do here.

The worst, imho, are the Children, even if now grown adults, who now cannot speak with their parents. That is considered "Out Ethics" and seriously NOT ok. Free? Come on!

Of course on their (C of $) end of things, they HAVE to keep these kids away from their parents, as IF they spoke to them, they very well might wake up, and leave staff.

I guess I'm such an advocate for REAL "Free Speech" vs their imposed version of non- free speech as I was in on some of OSA's Attempts to cut off families from their kids, while I was "in".

I was against it while I was "In" and I still am. It just is not right. It is the opposite of "Free" to hide a child, even if now a grown adult, from their parents, no matter what age. Why can't they at least talk with their parents if they really have free speech? Oh, because they "Don't want to"?

Well, let's follow that insane conclusion down to it's most probable end. We have PROOF, from skillions of Scientologists who HAVE made that same supposed "Free choice" while "in", and every single person I have met since I have left IMMEDIATELY re-connected with those they loved, once they left. It's number ONE on the list for most people.

So was it really their choice, or some imposed "RULE" that they HAD to follow, or else. I say the latter, as that IS what it is.

Even as an OT 7 -- a true, true believer -- when asked to "Handle" a mother who wanted to desperately just talk with her daughter, I said "NO!" I told them you are DRIVING this woman insane by keeping her from her child, and I still believe they are doing great harm to those they break off from their families.

It has NOTHING to do with Free Speech. Here are the definitions of & quot;Free".

In brackets are my comments (( )):

Main Entry: 1free
Pronunciation: 'frE
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): freer; freest

Etymology: Middle English, from Old English frEo; akin to Old High German frI free, Welsh rhydd, Sanskrit priya own, dear Date: before 12th century

1 a : having the legal and political rights of a citizen b : enjoying civil and political liberty <free citizens> c : enjoying political independence or freedom from outside domination d : enjoying personal freedom : not subject to the control or domination of another

(( Check that one out: "Not subject to the control or domination of another" boom! There ya go. "Disconnection" is totally the control and domination of others-that's why it's imposed.))

2 a : not determined by anything beyond its own nature or being :

(("Not determined by anything behond its own nature of being." Again, Disconnection ONLY comes about by the breaking of ones nature of being. All you have to do is ask yourself, would ANYONE -- left to themselves -- considering you have a loving relationship to start EVER decide "you don't think the way I do, so I'm NEVER, EVER going to talk with you?" Yes, some might most would not. However, that isn't the issue. Within Scientology, people don't have a choice. There has been much written about this and cults (mind Control, Peer pressure) etc.

Whatever you call it, while "in" you have to walk their walk. Is that their "Right"? Yes. That I believe to be true. It is their right to stay, however please don't say it is their FREE choice, as it is not.

It's "per policy" and these people for the most part are TOTALLY cut off from the FACTS about Hubbard who created these very policies they are following.

I know, I was too. I blindly followed, believing all to be true. I fought tooth and nail for YEARS about medication. If it wasn't for my mother, literally I would probably be dead. Then to leave and find out ALL this same time Hubbard was ON Medication -- well just what do you think I felt then? Loyalty?

Do you HONESTLY think I would have continued having Grand Mal Seizures (which I did in the early '70's until my Mother got me to wake up and realize they Were lying, Dianetics would NEVER "fix" Epilepsy, and to take the medication I so much needed) for ONE day if I'd known the FACTS, that Hubbard himself was on medication?

I would have never gone through one more of these, let alone months of them, and then years of mental torture as these same "OT's" implied I was "too downtone," "not responsible enough" or "you have your postulates wrong"...etc. Those labels went on until the day I woke up and realized what a scam this is, and left.

Do you think these kinds of labels are not being put on your kids? Do you think they are not damaging?

Most, if they knew one half of the facts about their group, would walk out the door. "Disconnection" is not Free Speech. It may be their Free choice, although even there I doubt it, but it certainly violates FREE speech. They HAVE to do it, or else. That's not free.))

choosing or capable of choosing for itself

(( These people I'm talking to say "well, it's their choice." I still say it if it really was their choice, there wouldn't be people between you and your child. Those people are MAKING SURE these people/young adults do what THEY Say. If you KNEW these same people were going to cut your childs arm off, by manipulating how they think and "Proving to them it's the right thing to do" would you still say, "It's their choice"?

I doubt it. You'd fight with all you have to make sure to get to your child, talk with your child, make sure they understand EXACTLY how bad this choice is, and probably more. This is no different.))

b : determined by the choice of the actor or performer <free actions> c : made, done, or given voluntarily or spontaneously

3 a : relieved from or lacking something unpleasant or burdensome <free from pain> <a speech free of political rhetoric> b : not bound, confined, or detained by force

4 a : having no trade restrictions

(((errrr.... Disconnection is all about restrictions. One CANNOT speak to an "SP" or they too will be declared an SP. It's a "high Crime" to do so.

The rest I will leave in, so the full definitions are here, but I'm done commenting and only make my final point at the end.))

b : not subject to government regulation c of foreign exchange : not subject to restriction or official control

5 a : having no obligations (as to work) or commitments <I'll be free this evening> b : not taken up with commitments or obligations <a free evening>

6 : having a scope not restricted by qualification <a free variable>

7 a (1) : not obstructed or impeded : CLEAR (2) : not being used or occupied <waved with his free hand> b : not hampered or restricted in its normal operation

8 a : not fastened <the free end of the rope> b : not confined to a particular position or place; also : not having a specific opponent to cover in football <a free safety> c : capable of moving or turning in any direction <a free particle> d : performed without apparatus <free tumbling> e : done with artificial aids (as pitons) used only for protection against falling and not for support <a free climb>

9 a : not parsimonious <free spending> b : OUTSPOKEN c : availing oneself of something without stint d : FRANK, OPEN e : overly familiar or forward in action or attitude f : LICENTIOUS

10 : not costing or charging anything

11 a (1) : not united with, attached to, combined with, or mixed with something else : SEPARATE <free ores> <a free surface of a bodily part> (2) : FREESTANDING <a free column> b : chemically uncombined <free oxygen> <free acids> c : not permanently attached but able to move about <a free electron in a metal> d : capable of being used alone as a meaningful linguistic form <the word hats is a free form> -- compare 5BOUND 7

12 a : not literal or exact <free translation> b : not restricted by or conforming to conventional forms <free skating>

13 : FAVORABLE -- used of a wind blowing from a direction more than six points from dead ahead

14 : not allowing slavery

15 : open to all comers

- freeness /-n&s/ noun

- for free : without charge

synonyms FREE, INDEPENDENT, SOVEREIGN, AUTONOMOUS mean not subject to the rule or control of another. FREE stresses the complete absence of external rule and the full right to make all of one's own decisions <you're free to do as you like>. INDEPENDENT implies a standing alone; applied to a state it implies lack of connection with any other having power to interfere with its citizens, laws, or policies <the colony's struggle to become independent>. SOVEREIGN stresses the absence of a superior power and implies supremacy within a thing's own domain or sphere <separate and sovereign armed services>. AUTONOMOUS stresses independence in matters pertaining to self-government <in this denomination each congregation is regarded as autonomous>.

Ok... so per these definitions, Free Speech means someone can make up their own mind.

If within Scientology someone is TRULY Free to speak their mind, why is it they have to "Go to Ethics" to get "Handled" regarding this very subject?

I ask you that. Is "Disconnection" really Free Speech?

All the best :)

Tory/Magoo ~dancing in the moonlight~
In Scientology for 30 years
Out for 3 years, 4 months happily
For thinking and speaking my mind, I am:
Declared SP (SP 6 ^with Cumulative Cluster)
Expelled from C of S (Woooo hoooo!) :)
A Free Speech Advocate!
Free at last!!!

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